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First Guess At Flyer Line Combo's


CapGeek has a depth chart for each position completely based on salary. And it makes sense that you’re top salary guys should be together.  It doesn’t always work out that way, but I kind of like how it looks, for now.

I really like the idea of Jagr replacing Leino and playing alongside Briere and Hartnell. He can do everything that Leino could do, but better.  Yes, I buy into the notion that a 39 year old Jagr will be a better player than a 27 year old Leino. With age, players tend to lose their speed, which is what makes them less effective.  Jagr’s game was never about being super fast.  He can still e shifty, he’s still huge, and he can still hit a target; whether it’s a teammate’s stick or the back of the net.

Next up is JVR-Giroux-Voracek. My knowledge of Voracek is based on a few highlights from YouTube. He looks like he can score a few goals, probably in the mid-20′s range. This line will ahve to figure out their roles a bit though. Giroux will score when he gets the chance, but he’s probably going to become more of a setup man. Even though both wings are big, I really don’t want to see this line playing dump and chase.  It doesn’t suit their skill level.  Yeah, they have the tools to cycle, but that would be a waste.  They need to come in on the transition game and just crash the net.

On the third line it looks like a Shelley-Schenn-Simmonds combo, but it’s more likely that Nodl steps into Shelley’s spot. Either way, I don’t know what we’re getting with this group. This line’s identity completely relies on Schenn.  Simmonds is a tough guy that can score a bit. Nodl is a waste of space that needs to learn how to pass, needs to be more aggressive, and pretty much scores a bunch of garbage goals. This line has to contribute some offense, because they sure as hell don’t look like a solid defensive group.

That leaves us with Shelley-Talbot-Betts. I don’t like Shelley even a little bit, in any role.  Still, if he’s going to be in the lineup, then he’s going to have to learn to play defense.  Any scoring we get from these guys is a bonus. they’re going to play some of the harder minutes, trying to keep the puck out of their own end.

There’s always a chance that some of these guys lose their spots to some younger competition. We definitely don’t need Shelley every night. Maybe Schenn doesn’t prove to be NHL-ready just yet. There could be a few injuries along the way too. Nodl might finally get exposed and lose a permanent spot. Waiting to make the jump are Jon Kalinski, Eric Wellwood, Mike Testwuide, Sean Couturier, and Ben Holmstrom.  I don’t exactly follow prospects closely, so there might be a few other guys in the minors who can play.

Also, depending on who’s looking better, it’s not exactly clear right now what our top line is.  But unlike the last two years, it’s between the top two.  Unless we’re in for a pleasant surprise, we don’t have 9 legit scoring threats anymore. It doesn’t mean we can’t win, but let’s just settle for the fact that we won’t be blowing people out on a regular basis.

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  • glaughlin

    Here’s what im thinking:

    1- Harts, Briere, Voracek2-JVR, Giroux, Jagr3-Simmonds, Talbot, Nodl4- Shelly, Betts, Schenn

    Either way, i dont think anyone from the first two lines will find themselves on 3 or 4 and vice versa. I dont see Jagr and Briere working on the same line, and would somehow like to see voracek working on the same line as Jagr, but i’m not sure know’d work well centering that line.

  • glaughlin

    Here’s what im thinking:

    1- Harts, Briere, Voracek2-JVR, Giroux, Jagr3-Simmonds, Talbot, Nodl4- Shelly, Betts, Schenn

    Either way, i dont think anyone from the first two lines will find themselves on 3 or 4 and vice versa. I dont see Jagr and Briere working on the same line, and would somehow like to see voracek working on the same line as Jagr, but i’m not sure know’d work well centering that line.

  • dats81

    No way Shelley will make it to the third line – he will occasionally play 4th line whenever an enforcer is needed but will stay 13th forward most of the time! Sestito or Rinaldo will take Shelley’s spot.

    Talbot may be moved up and down the lineup but he should not play center – his facoff stats are a disgrace!

    Holmstrom and Read are the frontrunners among forward prospecst. Testwuide and Wellwood following. Kalinski has dropped to the bottom of depth chart.

  • dats81

    No way Shelley will make it to the third line – he will occasionally play 4th line whenever an enforcer is needed but will stay 13th forward most of the time! Sestito or Rinaldo will take Shelley’s spot.

    Talbot may be moved up and down the lineup but he should not play center – his facoff stats are a disgrace!

    Holmstrom and Read are the frontrunners among forward prospecst. Testwuide and Wellwood following. Kalinski has dropped to the bottom of depth chart.

  • T0ne13

    I agree with the first two lines, but after that you are clueless. First of all, Jody Shelley would NEVER be on the 3rd line. Shelley is a career 4th line goon and only serves to intimidate and fight. Andreas Nodl is a shoe in on the 3rd line. He was drafted as a skill player and has been adjusting his game to be more effective as a 3rd line grinder, and in my opinion, he has done a pretty good job at that. Nodl has slowly improved throughout his short tenure with the flyers and I expect him to take another step this upcoming year.

    As for the 4th line, you completely failed to mention the two guys who are battling for the last roster spot. Those guys would be Tom Sestito and Zac Rinaldo. Both of these guys have more skill than Jody Shelley. They are both younger and have potential to get better.

    At the rookie scrimmage, two guys stood out to me the most. Obviously, everyone knows Brayden Schenn was a man amongst boys out there, but the other guy who looked great was Zac Rinaldo. He was everywhere and absolutely dropping the hammer on opposing players and he actually has some skill. I’m predicting he makes this team out of training camp and him and Shelley will split time on the 4th line.

  • T0ne13

    I agree with the first two lines, but after that you are clueless. First of all, Jody Shelley would NEVER be on the 3rd line. Shelley is a career 4th line goon and only serves to intimidate and fight. Andreas Nodl is a shoe in on the 3rd line. He was drafted as a skill player and has been adjusting his game to be more effective as a 3rd line grinder, and in my opinion, he has done a pretty good job at that. Nodl has slowly improved throughout his short tenure with the flyers and I expect him to take another step this upcoming year.

    As for the 4th line, you completely failed to mention the two guys who are battling for the last roster spot. Those guys would be Tom Sestito and Zac Rinaldo. Both of these guys have more skill than Jody Shelley. They are both younger and have potential to get better.

    At the rookie scrimmage, two guys stood out to me the most. Obviously, everyone knows Brayden Schenn was a man amongst boys out there, but the other guy who looked great was Zac Rinaldo. He was everywhere and absolutely dropping the hammer on opposing players and he actually has some skill. I’m predicting he makes this team out of training camp and him and Shelley will split time on the 4th line.

  • emarkman10

    @T0ne13 I NEVER said that Shelley is a 3rd liner. I listed what CapGeek has, and it’s based on salary. If you actually read my post, I said that.

    As for the young guys, I did mention my lack of knowledge in that area.

  • emarkman10

    @T0ne13 I NEVER said that Shelley is a 3rd liner. I listed what CapGeek has, and it’s based on salary. If you actually read my post, I said that.

    As for the young guys, I did mention my lack of knowledge in that area.

  • emarkman10

    @dats81 If Shelley’s out of the lineup most of the time, then I’m happy. Do you know if any of these young guys have the potential to become something special in the NHL?

  • emarkman10

    @dats81 If Shelley’s out of the lineup most of the time, then I’m happy. Do you know if any of these young guys have the potential to become something special in the NHL?

  • emarkman10

    @glaughlin If Schenn is as offensively gifted as they say, do we want him getting lest playing time than Talbot? The rest of this could work. I can’t wait for training camp to see how Lavy handles all of this.

  • emarkman10

    @glaughlin If Schenn is as offensively gifted as they say, do we want him getting lest playing time than Talbot? The rest of this could work. I can’t wait for training camp to see how Lavy handles all of this.

  • dats81

    @emarkman10 The only prospects to become something special are Couturier and of cource Schenn because they are highly touted, skilled first rounders.

    3rd or 4th line role players are mostly a dime a dozen players except they turn into a locker room presence like Laperierre. I doubt that Sestito or Rinaldo will fit this shoe – at least not for now.

  • dats81

    @emarkman10 The only prospects to become something special are Couturier and of cource Schenn because they are highly touted, skilled first rounders.

    3rd or 4th line role players are mostly a dime a dozen players except they turn into a locker room presence like Laperierre. I doubt that Sestito or Rinaldo will fit this shoe – at least not for now.